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Socialism Rules!!
« on: January 30, 2010, 02:52:14 AM »
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"If you want to know why one country does better or worse than another," as Wilkinson and Pickett
note simply, "the first thing to look at is the extent of inequality."

The United States, the developed world’s most unequal major nation, ranks at or near the bottom
on every quality-of-life indicator that Wilkinson and Pickett examine.  Portugal and the UK, nations with
levels of inequality that rival the United States, rank near that same bottom.

Japan and the Scandinavian nations, the world’s most equal major developed nations, show the exact
opposite trend line.  They all rank, on yardstick after yardstick, at or near the top.

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me, too.

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Re: Socialism Rules!!
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 08:32:05 AM »
You know, sometimes it's just sad.  Debunking liberal/progressive tripe does get boring after a while as the "myth" of the left is like a coat of paint - one mile wide but 1 mm deep giving the appearance of broad coverage yet simple scratches on the surface expose the rot underneath.   If people in "socialist" countries are much happier as these British researchers contend - why, please do they suffer much higher rates of suicide in these "social paradises" and why don't people from the Third World flock there like they do here?  I think these eminent researchers better spend a little less time watching Star Trek reruns and playing Nintendo and start cracking the books a little more.   :D :D ;)
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 09:44:51 AM »
If you are going to bother to use hypertext with your hyperlinks, you don’t have to put the  “KOS” part in there …that way someone might actually click the link…someday. :-*

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.


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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 10:05:19 AM »
Ayuh,....  And America is about Here,...
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 11:01:18 AM »
There are arguments for and against just about any form of economy.  Marx theorized that capitalism will destroy itself as wealth is consolidated in the ownership class and fewer and fewer people have control of their labor.    In other words, as the corporations turn more of the middle class into lower class wage earners, there will be a point when there is no more wealth to transfer.  At that point we will have our own little French Revolution.

Socialism evens the distribution of wealth, thus maintaining the flow of wealth in a giant circle, but it dilutes the incentive for growth.  Why would an owner seek to generate more wealth when much of it goes to supporting the middle and lower classes?

Communism eliminates class altogether.  Everyone works for the state, and everyone gets paid by the state.  Marx favored such a system (but did not advocate its creation- Lenin did that).   The problem is that communism only works if everyone works.  What the party bosses figured out is that more and more people could become bureaucrats, and they could dole these cushy jobs to foster loyalty.  Massive corruption was the result, as well as fewer people producing for the many.

States in general are delicate things.  They tend to consume the very resources that sustain them, like labor, land and raw materials.  The United States will fracture, it is just a matter of when we reach the tipping point.  The thing that determines how long a state functions is flexibility.  So long as we are willing to tolerate the pendulum swing from capitalism to socialism and back again- the US will survive.  When the pendulum stops swinging is when we will see the end game.

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 02:19:11 PM »
the gist of the thing is... the lesser the gap between
those of the Top 10% and those of the Bottom 10%
the better the "quality of life" is for everyone, for "the
society" as a whole.  I don't think that can be disputed.
The numbers, as they say, don't lie.

How that happens - thru unbridled capitalism or top-down
state run socialism - doesn't matter.  The objective is to
shrink the gap.

We live in a combination of both, but the latest Supremes
ruling - virtually giving corporations the same rights as
living breathing people - further sends us down that slope
of unbridled capitalism, letting "The Markets" determine
outcomes.  And we've seen how well that works over the
last 8 years of BushCo.  We're still cleaning that mess up.

As much as the conservies would love for Gov't to just go
away and let "The Markets" determine outcomes, that would
only further increase the gap between The Top and the
bottom, which is already at the point where the bottom are
about to pick up torch and pitch fork and march on Wall Street.
And, i wouldn't be a bit surprised to actually see that happen,
sooner rather than later.

Socialism isn't any better, as it provides no incentive to
produce any more than one has to to "live comfortably,"
but it at least gives those at the bottom the sense that
those at The Top aren't all that better off than they are,
that "we're all in this together."

The best of both worlds is to combine the two, ensuring
that those on the bottom at least have a standard of
living that at least provides a sense that they're not
living in a tent in some third world country, that they
at least have a few toys that the majority enjoy; while
those at The Top enjoy the fruits of their labor while
paying some of the freight of the society as a whole,
paying for "the deadbeats" at the bottom.
Or, as the conservies would say, "redistribution of wealth."
Or, reducing the gap between The Haves and the have nots,
ensuring a better quality of life for the society as a whole.
You know, so everyone gets a taste of that American pie.

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Re: Socialism Rules!!
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 03:18:59 PM »
Seems to me that socialism is for the people that want to do the least to get by.  "Let the other guy do it" mentality.

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 03:23:14 PM »
the gist of the thing is...  The Haves and the have nots
... evil

There have always being have and have-nots since the days of cavemen and the dawn of civilization.  No government on earth will ever change that because the only way to change it would be for people to be born with a set amount of resources.  The reason the "gap" continues to exist and grow is because those on the bottom have been brainwashed into thinking that they are entitled to a living from beyond themselves.  Those at the top are not necessarily evil, they just represent that segment of society that has always existed - those who go out and seek reward.  They represent the only real growth potential for our society.  Until we reach a level of technology where we can produce unlimited energy and resources and have a means to distribute them to all - the concept of "equality" or "fair share" is just a pipe dream.  Right now, we must work to create all that we need to survive.  Those that work - eat, those that sit and wait for manna to fall from the sky (or the government) - go hungry.  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 03:27:01 PM »
Seems to me that socialism is for the people that want to do the least to get by.  "Let the other guy do it" mentality.


nope.  that's what The Haves want you to believe.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 03:29:46 PM »
Seems to me that socialism is for the people that want to do the least to get by.  "Let the other guy do it" mentality.


nope.  that's what The Haves want you to believe.


Then why do you feel entitled to more than you need off someone else's work?  If this country were completely socialized what would YOU be doing for work, Evil?

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 04:04:02 PM »
Seems to me that socialism is for the people that want to do the least to get by.  "Let the other guy do it" mentality.


nope.  that's what The Haves want you to believe.


Then why do you feel entitled to more than you need off someone else's work?  If this country were completely socialized what would YOU be doing for work, Evil?

Ayuh,...  Probably be a WallyWorld associate knockin' down a bucktwoninetyeight an hour, Bitchin' because Sam Walton was sitiin' on his a$$ fleecing the Government bureaucracy that took over the Walton Empire...
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 04:37:49 PM »
the gist of the thing is...  The Haves and the have nots
... evil

There have always being have and have-nots since the days of cavemen and the dawn of civilization.  No government on earth will ever change that because the only way to change it would be for people to be born with a set amount of resources.  The reason the "gap" continues to exist and grow is because those on the bottom have been brainwashed into thinking that they are entitled to a living from beyond themselves.  Those at the top are not necessarily evil, they just represent that segment of society that has always existed - those who go out and seek reward.  They represent the only real growth potential for our society.  Until we reach a level of technology where we can produce unlimited energy and resources and have a means to distribute them to all - the concept of "equality" or "fair share" is just a pipe dream.  Right now, we must work to create all that we need to survive.  Those that work - eat, those that sit and wait for manna to fall from the sky (or the government) - go hungry.  ;)
That is just plain bullshit.
The reason that the gap continues to grow is that the people with the most choose the people that make the rules. They get to make the rules fit what they want. I don't think that I am entitiled to anything more than what I can earn for myself. I want no handouts at all.
You say those at the top have always existed.True. Why the hell do you think that our forefathers crossed an occean  to get away from it and try to start again? Kings and their loyal followers have been replaced by a president, congress.and the money that keeps them there. This has been guarenteed to continue and even grow thanks to the recent supreme court decision. The mega rich will now have even more control of our world.
If the founding fathers could see what has happened they would roll over in their graves.
Those that work, eat. Untill the "greedy corporations" move their job to India or China. The rich get richer and the middle gets, nothing. Had nothing to due with them being lazy or waiting for a handout.

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 06:53:02 PM »
That is just plain bullshit.
The reason that the gap continues to grow is that the people with the most choose the people that make the rules. They get to make the rules fit what they want. I don't think that I am entitiled to anything more than what I can earn for myself. I want no handouts at all.
You say those at the top have always existed.True. Why the hell do you think that our forefathers crossed an occean  to get away from it and try to start again? Kings and their loyal followers have been replaced by a president, congress.and the money that keeps them there. This has been guarenteed to continue and even grow thanks to the recent supreme court decision. The mega rich will now have even more control of our world.
If the founding fathers could see what has happened they would roll over in their graves.
Those that work, eat. Untill the "greedy corporations" move their job to India or China. The rich get richer and the middle gets, nothing. Had nothing to due with them being lazy or waiting for a handout.



Let me guess, public school or you read this in a union flyer.  :D

Definately public school history here.  ::)

Corporations existed and prospered here for many years until their union workforces priced themselves out of the global market.  Big unions are expanding as we speak into the Third World.  It's only a matter of time until they abandon the american worker altogether.  They need money to survive and that's where the money is.   Only 9% of the private sector is unionized now in the US.   Tic-toc, tic-toc, the clock is winding down for them in the US.  ;)
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 09:27:21 PM »
Quoted from reaper
"Let me guess, public school or you read this in a union flyer.  Cheesy

Definately public school history here.  Roll Eyes

Corporations existed and prospered here for many years until their union workforces priced themselves out of the global market.  Big unions are expanding as we speak into the Third World.  It's only a matter of time until they abandon the american worker altogether.  They need money to survive and that's where the money is.   Only 9% of the private sector is unionized now in the US.   Tic-toc, tic-toc, the clock is winding down for them in the US.  Wink"

Half right. Not bad for you though.
Public school education and proud of it. (the half that is right) add in some selective college courses and trade school and I manage to make ends meet.
Did not read it from a union flyer. It has been learned from a lifetime of paying attention to what is going on around me.
Paying union wages priced no one out of the market. The greed of corporations has. Companies that showed a decent profit, even paying union wages, just closed, pulled up stakes, and sent the work elsewhere. It was more profitable for them.
How many of the manufacturing sites in third world countries are unionized and paying a living wage? Yes sir, unions are thriving in China, Taiwan, and the Philippines. Let's not forget the strong union forces in Mexico. That's why the work went there. Corporations could pay didley squat and their profit soared.
When the union jobs were here, so was the money. And that money was spent here.
And that,old son, is what made the economy go 'round.
Back in the 60's , 70's, and 80's you could drive past Crown Zellerbach / James River, St Regis / Champion, Air Brake, and a host of others and see what union wages did for our economy. Working folks could buy a car or truck now and again. Drive it home after work, to a home they could own, maintain,and pay the taxes on. They could pay for an education for their kids. That's my Mom and Dad did. No student loans. when sis graduated, a SUNY school, (there's that nasty public education again!) it was paid for and done.
That's what decent wages for honest work did.

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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 09:57:15 PM »
Seems to me that socialism is for the people that want to do the least to get by.  "Let the other guy do it" mentality.


nope.  that's what The Haves want you to believe.


Then why do you feel entitled to more than you need off someone else's work?  If this country were completely socialized what would YOU be doing for work, Evil?


The Socialist countries rank near the top,
the U.S. of A. ranks near the bottom.
Do the math.

I don't feel entitled at all.
Have always worked.
Just saying... the authors suggest there is
a correlation re. the Gap between the haves
and the have nots.  The greater the gap - and
there is no greater gap than exists right here
in the good ol' U.S. of A. - the lower the "Quality
of Life" standard.  The less the Gap the higher
the quality of life standard for more of the population.
The Gap here in the U.S. of A. continues to expand.
That is unsustainable.
Eventually bottom feeders pick up pitch forks and torches.
and you thought crime was bad now!

The authors suggest that the bread box approach is better
than our pyramid.  I agree.  Flattening that pyramid -
"redistributing the wealth" to the lower 90% - flattening
the pyramid into a bread box - would go a long way toward
a higher quality of life here where more get more.
And crime damn near nonexistent.
Amazing how much of Europe and all of Scandinavia gets
FREE (or damn near free) WiFi - at speeds twice those of
Road Runner Cable - while we suffer with crap performance
at $50 a whack.  Same with the trains there.
A correlation??
Yet... they still have some jingle in their pocket for that
shopping excursion.

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2010, 10:15:43 AM »
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There are arguments for and against just about any form of economy.
Those would be loosing arguments. Liberals can sit around in the faculty lounge and theorize why socialism is a better form of  government than  the USA’s but that is where it ends. There is only one system that has put-up or shut-up better than every other system and that is the US system.

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States in general are delicate things.  They tend to consume the very resources that sustain them, like labor, land and raw materials.  The United States will fracture, it is just a matter of when we reach the tipping point.  The thing that determines how long a state functions is flexibility.  So long as we are willing to tolerate the pendulum swing from capitalism to socialism and back again- the US will survive.  When the pendulum stops swinging is when we will see the end game.
The problem is that each time it swings back to the left it swings a little further and never fully returns to the right and when it tries to, it is in the form of neo-conservatism.

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the gist of the thing is... the lesser the gap between
those of the Top 10% and those of the Bottom 10%
the better the "quality of life" is for everyone, for "the
society" as a whole.  I don't think that can be disputed.
The numbers, as they say, don't lie.
I disagree.
If you go to West Palm Beach you will find millionaires and billionaires and the millionaires are not obsessed with how much less they have than the billionaires. It is only liberals that are obsessed with what others have. The millionaires will be happy that they have more than most people, just as Americas poor should be happy that they have more than the middle class citizens of Denmark and most of the citizens of the rest of the world too.

Not long ago a middle class north country citizen would be lucky to afford a snowmobile and any money they had would go toward keeping it running. Today a poor person can own one and they have extra money to spend on trendy helmet accessories.

The fact is that no matter how you try to portray it you have a good life and so do most poor people. And what’s more, it is not the-man that is keeping you down it is YOU that is keeping you down. You are obviously exceptionally intelligent and seem to be healthy enough to take full advantage of the land of opportunity. But you CHOOSE to work at Wal-Mart instead of putting your god given talents to their best use.

If you go to Zimbabwe and spread all the wealth out equally then everyone starves to death but you would be happy because the evil white landowners have gotten what’s coming to them.

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2010, 10:49:00 AM »
The reason there is a huge disparity in the US, is simply because in virtually every other nation of the planet, their populations has been made up primarily of the same people, genetics and environment. Imagine a group of fish all the same species swimming together in the same environment, all doing and living the same. That is the historic average nation for the past 13,000 years. In most cases even the governments are the same "fish" with perhaps some genetic predisposition to exceed, or at least control "Alpha".

Meanwhile the US is formed and becomes a melting pot of "All Nations" wherin we receive and breed the best, the worst and the mediocre of all those have come here.  Likewise our government is a representation of that same mix.

For those who have failed in our midst, that's sad. But it is essentially inevitable. They would have failed here, or "there". It is only "here" that allowed them a much better change to succeed.

There in lies the disparity in our country. Not that some have failed, as they would have in their native land, but that some have not.

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2010, 12:13:21 PM »
Face it, like other great civilizations before us, we have grown lazy in our opulence.  Even our "poor" are better off than most in the Third World.  The great catalyst that made america so successful was that we were self made.  Unlike other countries which had caste systems or governments based upon nobility, here an average person had the ability to create something successful and succeed.  We are in danger of losing that now with the constant attacks from the Left in their perpetuation of class warfare in their zeal to make all "equal".  As the government progressively attacks the successful - i.e. rich - it makes it harder for the bottom to rise as they become dependent upon "the system".  Universal Socialism will only succeed in creating universal poor - not rich - with the government acting as the great benefactor and mediator.  Many here look at businesses as "evil" because they forget the reason behind a business - to make money:  period.  They are not social employment agencies who owe you a living.  Some will counter that they make "obscene profits" but there is no such thing.  There are only successful businesses, and failures.  Such is the history of civilization.  ;)
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2010, 02:18:34 PM »
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"There are only successful businesses, and failures.  Such is the history of civilization.  Wink"

And every great civilization, without exception, has failed.
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2010, 02:55:00 PM »
When, and where has Socialism actually worked?

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2010, 11:04:39 PM »
   So, let me get this straight, Evil. We're supposed to let these emasculated European Union girlie men tell us that the greatest country on God's green earth sucks?
   Oh, by the way, how's the British Empire doing, these days?
   Maybe these impotent bench sitters should ask their grandfathers what the USA did for the (formerly) Great Britain in the last two world wars, and why they are not speaking German these days.
   But maybe I'm being too harsh on these poor misguided individuals. Could it be that they were encouraged to write this because the Unqualified Community Organizer is apoligizing for America, every chance he gets?  
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2010, 11:27:05 PM »
  So, let me get this straight, Evil. We're supposed to let these emasculated European Union girlie men tell us that the greatest country on God's green earth sucks?
  

So, let me get this straight, Rad.  You're doing this 12 times a day (USA sucks) on this board yet you find fault with others?

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2010, 11:33:26 PM »
   Bill: Maybe you misunderstood me. The USA is the greatest country in the world, bar none.
   I was replying to Evil's post that these two British reporters were saying that the USA was the most unequal nation on earth, because we fail in the "redistribution of wealth"....(Chairman Barry's words, not mine).
   "To each, according to his needs, from each, according to his ability" I think you know who said that.  
   You know that I say, and will always say: "Amerika uber alles!"
   And don't worry, America will survive the Unqualified Community Organizer, if that's what you're talking about.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2010, 11:38:48 PM »
   Bill: Maybe you misunderstood me. The USA is the greatest country in the world, bar none.
    

Wait a minute - you're speaking with a forked tongue here.  You make about 12 posts a day complaining about this country and its politics.  According to you, there is absolutely nothing right - in fact, what is right, you find fault.  Can't have it both ways, Rad.  There's gotta be at least a small part of one thing that is okay with this country -in your eyes, that is.

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Re: Socialism Rules!!
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2010, 11:44:01 PM »
   Not this country, Bill. I'm complaining about the Unqualified Community Organizer who is trying to turn it into a socialist Nirvana. Myself and a majority of Americans are not going to let him do that.
   America doesn't suck now, Bill. The people in power who are trying to destroy it do.
   I think you and I can both see the shining city on the hill. We just differ on the way to reach it.
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Re: Socialism Rules!!
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2010, 11:50:46 PM »
If America doesn't suck, Rad - then what are you complaining about?  Never mind, I've got it.  There's a Dem in power who is making a pretty good attempt at bringing our excuse me - my country back into prosperity after your party in power nearly wrecked it, and it's blowing your mind.  You're actually still promoting "the party of no", you know, that shit you guys are real, real good at - dirty partisan politics.

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Re: Socialism Rules!!
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2010, 11:54:49 PM »
   Well I'm smart enough to know that neither one of us is going to win this.
   You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. So let's leave it at that, for now.
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Re: Socialism Rules!!
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2010, 11:57:42 PM »
   Well I'm smart enough to know that neither one of us is going to win this.
   You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. So let's leave it at that, for now.

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Re: Socialism Rules!!
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2010, 09:18:11 AM »
American Snapshot - Bill Gates

circa:  1910 - Bill Gates is a great man who rose from obscurity to create a wonderful thing that revolutionized our great country.  Like another great american Thomas Edison, who knows maybe I can be like that some day.

circa:  2010 - Bill Gates is a greedy corporate pie hogger who rose on the backs of the oppressed.  He should be taxed into oblivion and if that greedy SOB thinks he'll leave it all to his kids, we'll make sure we get another chunk after the crumb dies.

See anything wrong with the picture folks?  There in lies the failure of the liberal/socialist ideal which creates nothing and the potential failure of our great country who's ideas propelled humanity into a new era of medicine and science and technology.   ;)
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Re: Socialism Rules!!
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2010, 09:31:26 AM »
American Snapshot - Bill Gates

circa:  1910 - Bill Gates is a great man who rose from obscurity to create a wonderful thing that revolutionized our great country.  Like another great american Thomas Edison, who knows maybe I can be like that some day.

circa:  2010 - Bill Gates is a greedy corporate pie hogger who rose on the backs of the oppressed.  He should be taxed into oblivion and if that greedy SOB thinks he'll leave it all to his kids, we'll make sure we get another chunk after the crumb dies.

See anything wrong with the picture folks? 


Yep , if you remember 1910 you must be over 100 years old.   :D  :D  ;)